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Hidden yardage: Lawrence Tynes and Touchbacks
Written by Glenn Warciski   
Saturday, 13 March 2010 00:00

The Giants have been sniffing around for a placekicker. And it has nothing to do with field goal accuracy. It is all about hidden yardage. Former Giants' head coach Bill Parcells came up with the theory of hidden yardage.  According to Parcells'  theory, every 100 yards in hidden yardage -- through penalties, interceptions, punt and kickoff returns and field position following kickoffs -- is worth 7 points. He contends that fewer than 100 yards in hidden yardage can be equal to a pro-rated percentage of 7 points. Thus, if you have, say, 50 yards more than the opponent by the end of the game in this phase, you should have an extra 3 to 4 points.  As chief decision maker of the Miami Dolphins,  Parcells is such a strong proponent of his hidden yardage theory.  In fact, two years ago, Parcells released kicker Jay Feely because of his short kickoffs.  Although Feely connected on 21 out of 23 field goals, his kickoffs were costing the Dolphins too many hidden yards.  At the time,  special teams assistant Keith Armstrong bemoaned the fact that in one game alone, Feely's low and short kickoffs cost the Dolphins 80 yards of field position.  

Needless to say, just like Feely was discarded by the Dolphins, Giants kicker Lawrence Tynes' job could be in jeopardy. Despite converting 27 out of 32 field goals which is an impressive 84 percent,  his short kickoffs and low number of touchbacks is the reason the Giants are thinking about adding another kicker to their roster. At this time, the Giants have Tynes and an unknown Sam Swank on their roster. However, after having a disappointing 8-8 season, head coach Tom Coughlin vowed he would look at everything to improve his team. Ostensibly, kickoffs is an area Coughlin has targeted.   First, the Giants had interest in former Cowboy Nick Folk.  Even though Folk worked out for the Giants, apparently, the Giants did not like what they saw.  Folk wound up inking a deal with the Jets. Subsequently, the Giants wanted to take a look at former Carolina kickoff specialist Rhys Lloyd.  Before heading to the Meadowlands, Lloyd's first and last stop happened to be in Minnesota.  Lloyd never made it to New Jersey.  Minnesota gobbled him up.  Since the Giants are looking to sign a kicker, let us take a look at Tynes' touchback statistics. 

 In order to improve the distance on his kickoffs, during last year's training camp, Tynes began lining up 7 yards behind the ball instead of his usual ten yards.  Hopefully, this adjustment would help improve his number of touchbacks.  Let us see if his gambit of moving up three yards increased his number of touchbacks.  Unfortunately, this did not help Tynes at all.  After charting his 83 kickoffs in 2009,  Tynes had just 6 touchbacks. Because he had five touchbacks, the Giants were ranked 24th in the league in touchbacks per game.  Since the Giants were ranked near the bottom of the league in this category, this is an area where there is opportunity for improvement.  Four of the top ten teams in this category made the playoffs.  Two of those teams, New Orleans and Indianapolis made it to the Super Bowl.  Clearly, the importance of having more touchbacks helps a team accumulate hidden yardage.  Oh by the way, Saints head coach Sean Payton was a protege under Bill Parcells. While working under Parcells, Payton understands the concept of having a productive kickoff specialist and its correlation to hidden yardage. Last year, in the fifth round of the draft, the Saints selected punter Thomas Morestead.  In addition to his punting, Morestead was their long distance kickoff specialist. Morestead finished second in the league in touchbacks with 27 just two behind league leader David Buehler of the Dallas Cowboys.  Recall, in Super Bowl XXIV, the Colts out gained the Saints by 100 yards. The Colts amassed 432 net yards while the Saints had 332 yards. However, the hidden yardage paints a different picture.  In hidden yardage, the Saints had plus differential of 102 yards. 

Saints' hidden yards in Super Bowl XLIV:

Interception return : +74

Punt returns: +4

Penalties: +26

Kickoff returns: -9

Start of drives: +7

  As a result of accumulating more hidden yards, clearly, this was a difference maker.  And this helped the Saints win their first Lombardi trophy.   

While the NFL is a copy-cat league, teams like the Giants will want a kicker to place as many kickoffs into the back of the end zone for touchbacks. Brian Burke, creator of Advanced NFL Stats, examined the value of a touchback.  According to Burke, ten percent of all NFL kickoffs excluding onsides kicks are touchbacks.  He goes on, The average starting position following all kickoffs (including penalties on the play) is the 30 yd line. But the average starting position for all non-touchback kickoffs is the 32. The difference between a touchback an non-touchback is 12 yds. If the 32 seems a little far down the field to you (like it does to me), it's because the median starting field position for non-touchbacks is the 27 yd line.

Is  a touchback  from the 20 yard line compared to an average of all non-touchback kickoffs  at the 32 yard line statistically significant?  Burke thinks so. An alternative way of thinking of those 12 yards is to think of them as one additional first down required for a team to score. It's one more first down the offense will need to either score a TD or get into FG range. The average first down conversion rate in the NFL is 67%, so a touchback turns a TD drive into a FG drive or a FG drive into a punt 33% of the time.

Considering the data from Burke as well as Parcells' hidden yardage theory, do you think the Giants should sign or draft a kickoff specialist?  If so, do you like or dislike the idea of carrying two kickers on an NFL roster?   Should Tynes keep his job?  What are your thoughts?



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good point
written by xtian, March 12, 2010
about kickoffs and avg starting position, but your superbowl example is worthless cuz it's all about those pickoffs. they were actually minus in the ko area.

i guess it is a combination of both ko and fg. ie maybe a 70% fg and great ko is = to a 85% fg and avg ko. you have to measure both, and put it together.
Good job Glenn
written by psffur, March 13, 2010
I have long wondered why it is so difficult to develop really good place kickers. I speak of on several levels before the pro game.Just as a pitcher either has a strong arm or doesn't a kid must have leg.I see kids making 40-50 yard field goals in college all the time. I never understood why if they could do it a few times why,with a lot of practice they couldn't do it most of the time. I still wonder about that. I grew up in a time when Pat Summerall was the Giant's guy and the legendary George Blanda was consistently good into his mid 40's. At one time Blanda was the quarterback and the placekicker and the Raider's were a top team.Kicker's rarely get"hit",occasionally try to tackle but the best of them kind of run the other way.Most can't run or tackle anyway.
It's a great job. A good placekicker can make $2 million or more these days with a bunch guaranteed. So,how come a really good one is so rare? Nate Keading(sp) was sensational all season long and seems to implode every year in the playoffs.He is the Tony Romo of kickers. Sebaston Janakowski after years of on and off field problems seems to be the best right now. He always boomed them but he has gotten accurate the last couple of years. Too bad the Raiders play so much on the wrong side of the 50. Lou "the toe" Groza is a legend of another era as was Tom Dempsy who had a metal foot. Never understood why that was legal Adam Venetari is arguably the best example of how a place kicker can make a difference. He was the difference in a lot of games for New England including playoffs. There was a point where he was automatic. Never the longest but,long enough he is the best of the last decade.
The kicker(s) are paramount in this era as many games are determined by them. I wonder why they are so rare.
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written by irishmacmystic, March 13, 2010
very cerebral post glenn...though special teams are supposedly valued very highly, for some reason also teams feel like they can pick up a placekicker in the same way you go out and look for a backup QB...i think that position is worth drafting someone and grooming them just like any other position...while sebastien janikowski must have been one of the few placekickers, if not the only one, taken in the first round (of course oakland again going against standard practice) i cannot imagine that happening today... But it would be worth a 6th or 7th round pick to actually draft a plackicker this year.....

as to the touchbacks, i am in complete agreement, and it was even worse the prior year when carney's leg started losing power as the year went on....although on a clinical level it is about yardage, it is also emotional....when a kicker kicks the ball deep into the end zone, it is uplifting to your guys and demoralizing to the other team, particularly if they have a burner returning kicks....conversely, it is very demoralizing to know when you line up that it is going to be a short kickoff and that the best you can do is maintain the return team within the 30......and you can imagine those kick returners' eyes light up when they see those short kicks and they can get a running start....

though not the subject of the post, per se, i have to also say that despite tynes' apparent accuracy as a field goal kicker he scares me each time he lines up....
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written by gman17, March 13, 2010
xtian,

Hidden yardage is a theory. It is not going to be perfect. Recall, besides the game clinching interception in Super Bowl XLIV, the onsides kick was the other big play. In the hidden yardage theory, it is kickoff returns and field position following kickoffs. The onsides kick was a big play.

On the other hand, I agree with you there is flaws to Parcells' theory. For example, Tynes had five touchbacks all year. Two of those touchbacks were against the Chargers. As a matter of fact, after Coughlin's questionable decision to kick field goal intead of go for it on fourth down, Tynes boomed the ensuing kickoff. It was a touchback. The defense failed the Giants not giving up field position.

Vikings signed Lloyd because they were at the bottom of kickoffs too. Longwell is such a good place kicker; however, he is poor on kickoffs.

Giants have too many holes. I do not think they should have a kickoff specialist. They need someone who can challenge Tynes during camp.

And the Saints elected to pick up Bush's 8 million dollar option on his current contract. Why? He is an excellent punt returner. He also creates mismatch problems too.

Kickoffs and its relation to hidden yardage is going to be talked about more this upcoming season.
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written by Bukka, March 13, 2010
I was whining about Tynes' kickoffs all last year, but do not feel comfortable carrying two kickers. I would rather have a third quarterback on the roster. Certainly there could be an upgrade from Tynes, but there really are so few flawless kickers out there. I may regret this, but Tynes seemed to get better in my eyes by the end of last season. He may still be improving.

It does make sense to place more value on a fantastic kicking prospect in the draft. But where are they? It always seems like there are five or six teams cutting kickers in December. I'm gonna have my two-year old son start working on his squibs.
Punter/KO specialist
written by Motown Blue, March 13, 2010
There is a punter from U of Michigan who also handles KOs and has a boomer his name is Zolton Mesco. He also showed good control and touch in pinning his punts inside the 20/10 yard line. Hate to see a world class athlete and artist leave in Feagles but his leg was not what used to be when he wasn't required to pin inside the 10 yard line.

Overall, the margin between winning and losing is so slim in the NFL. Just by common sense if you are giving up 5-10 more yards a game in special teams requires the opponent to convert fewer 1st downs and higher probability in scoring points.
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written by irishmacmystic, March 13, 2010
great idea motown, if we can get him 6th 7th round i am in...
punts too
written by xtian, March 13, 2010
it's not about the punting avg, it's more about the net, and pinning the opponent down w/ no return, especially when there's a dangerous return guy ie bush, or say westbrook--ouch!

glenn, i did like the post. probably should have written 'not a good example' instead of 'worthless.' sorry.
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written by ligiantfan, March 13, 2010
I have complained about Tynes kickoffs along with many others for quite a while . I dont have too much of a problem with his FGs but my beef is that Ive always said that giving the opposition an extra 40 to 50 yards a game because of short kickoffs was tantamount to giving them an extra above average running back . How many running backs in the league ran for 600 to 800 yards last year ? how many teams would love a running back who could do that ? So ,is getting a kicker who can kick touckbacks more important than an accurate FG kicker ? I leave it up for debate
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written by The Mayor, March 14, 2010
Tynes is the worst. I've said this for years now, why the fuck can't we get a kicker whose job is to kick balls into the endzone. The Cowboys went for it and it paid them dividends by having a kickoff man and a field goal kicker. Their kickoff man the rookie from USC who (directed to you Psffur) put up 225 25 times, and led the NFL in touchbacks this past season. Why can we not do that. I've had talks with my Giant fan buddies this past season and they agreed with me, that the Giants should have held a tryout midseason in the tri-state area and anyone who could kick the ball off the tee into the endzone 15 out of 20 times should've been signed immediately. How many times this past season and the season before did we have the worst starting yardage on defense. I mean its ridiculous. As a matter of fact I brought this up the year we won the Super Bowl with Tynes, midseason that year I had called in Sirius afternoon blitz and proposed the question of why can't we get a kicker just for kickoffs. And those guys were trying to say well then you can't keep an extra long snapper, special team guys, etc.. without that roster spot being there. I said who cares our opponents won't be starting at their 40 yard line every time we kickoff. I still say we need a kicker who can kick field goals and a kicker who can get the ball out of the end zone. If we have to hire two guys to achieve this, so be it. And right now we don't even have a field goal kicker that can make field goals consistently let alone get the ball in the endzone. This needs to change ASAP!
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written by gman17, March 14, 2010
Xtian: No offense taken. You are correct. The hidden yardage theory involves not just kickoffs. Giants have to improve upon decreasing their amount of penalties per game. Reese mentioned this at end of year press conference.

Coughlin is on the hot seat in 2010. Will release Tynes? We shall see.

Mayor: You are right on. We need to improve in this area.
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written by jw, March 15, 2010
Last year Tynes claimed that his kickoffs were short ON PURPOSE.

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2009/11/ny_giants_game_day_committing.html

(Scroll down to the bottom.) He claimed it messed up the returner's timing, but I never thought that turned out to be a net positive. The problem may lie with both Tynes and the special teams coach who lets him do that.
on purpose.... bwa ha ha!
written by The Mayor, March 16, 2010
Now I really hate Tynes. Thats the biggest crock of shit I've ever heard in my life. I wish I was the reporter in the press conference he told that too. I would say "Really, and the 2 years before last were always on purpose? And when you were with KC too, thats why they canned your ass!?"

The problem with replacing Tynes is the crop for kickers out there on the free agent market sucks big time. Were better off finding a young talent like the Saints when they got Hartley from OU.

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