How many times have we seen it, where a new head coach comes in somewhere and doesn't get it done?! Who was responsible? Was it him? Was it management? Can injuries be purely blamed for it? Politics? OR, was the coach simply a less effective leader in his new position than he was as a coordinator beforehand?
I cannot speak to what happened to Spagnuolo at St. Louis. He was doing fine, got them back to 7-9 respectability in 2010 before the team's performance sagged once again in 2011.
What we can all speak to is how his aggressive schemes leveraged the talent of the defense. He reinvigorated the career of Corey Webster, instilling in him a sorely needed confidence that was previously destroyed by Lewis. How many of you think we could have won 4 straight games for Super Bowl XLII without Webster, or for that matter Spagnuolo?
Now there is talk that he may go back to Philadelphia. NO. POSITIVELY ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLY NO. He would be a great addition back in NY because there are more than a few players that would already be familiar with his defense. Terrell Thomas, coming off an ACL tear, was a rookie in 2008 with Spags. Ross and Webster could get a career booster with more press coverage. Spags and Rolle would be a very good fit in my opinion. JPP would fit right in as the edge rusher.
Pay the man. Get him back. Promise him a monster bonus for being ANY coach of the Giants if we get another Super Bowl title.
Separately, in other news, Osi is back in practice. His contract is up [correction: at the end of 2012], so he has to audition on film for the other 31 teams.
Did anyone read http://nyg.scout.com/2/1143694.html. And as soon as I got drift of the Spags rumor, before this article, I was salivating to get him back to the Giants. My pic for a new OC? Well, Michael Moore, of course. He's relentless.
Both Williams and Sash made Football Outsiders' All-Rookie team
Foster, that we could/should have picked up at #83 instead of Jernigan, is there as well.
It would be wonderful to get Spags back. Let me preface a related note by saying I'm no Fewell fan, have had enough. BUT, here's an interesting analysis of how he handles the defensive line from Mike Tanier of Football Outsiders - http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/45807356/ns/sports-nfl/. It does put some perspective into Fewell, what he's tried to do given all of the injuries, etc.
The Giants have to do whatever it takes to get Spags when and if he becomes available. That means Jerry Reese better not refill his Ambien prescription and do what it takes. He has to be aggressive. Andy says "Pay The Man "...When have the Giants ever outbid anyone for a free agent? I can't remember, if someone knows please tell me. John Mara has to do something special to get him. Make him a HC in waiting. But, I have a bad feeling that all things considered he'd rather be in Philadelphia.
yes, some coordinators are much better suited being a coordinator than a head coach--dont know if that is spags deal. but also remember sometimes the second time being a head coach is when they succeed--learning from their experiences or being involved with bad organization ie belichick. spags should get a second chance. would love it to be with the giants. hey, maybe he comes back as DC with an agreement to succeed TC in a year or two. i would take that.
The contract issue with Goff will be interesting. It expires prior to camp. If Reese goes ILB in round 1 (Burfict or Kuechly) they'll try to keep Goff on the cheap and probably will with him coming off that knee. We'll go from a bad LB corps to a good one with depth in one off season.
Umenyiora's contract isn't up, he has another year on it. I don't buy into the whole faking injury / playing for others teams.
From beat writers he looks 100% at practive today, let's hope he's back sunday.
@longtimegiantfan Palladino's argument doesn't hold water. Why? Because it does not address the status quo as being acceptable or not. We have cataloged the failures and underachievement of 2008, 2009, 2010 and 2011. Should we keep applauding every season of mediocrity? Every year there is a different excuse.
For one thing, I do not believe making it to the playoffs is a barometer. I believe that a Head Coach's job is to oversee and take responsibility for his coordinators so that they are performing well. I believe the Head Coach is responsible for having his team ready to play EVERY game (with energy, effort, and preparedness). I do not believe, as an example for here in 2011, that the Giants were ready for WAS, AZ, SEA, MIA, PHL, WAS. THAT IS SIX GAMES! They played less than complete games vs the Jets and Rams, but we won't count those. So when I hear these remarks about 'playoffs' and 8 wins, it covers up the fact that Coughlin/his staff routinely underachieves.
Every year there is a big disaster, and no adjustment. In '08 it was Gilbride unable to adjust to 8 men in the box once Plax went down. In '09 it was the Sheridan disaster, no answer from TC. In '10, it was specials disasters all season. It '11, it is a defense that has veterans back there, terrible communication, and horrible schemes. But TC has 8 wins. At what point is mediocrity unacceptable?
@RickH That was a fascinating article. The AGL (Adjusted Games Lost) seems to be a useful measure. Only two other teams in the past decade (0-16 2008 Lions and 6-10 2009 Bills) have had a higher defensive AGL than this year's Giants. Fewell couldn't have written better PR.
@xtian Exactly! Your reference to Hoodie is on target! Spags will get it as its a learning process. He gets the schemes,leveraging talent, masking deficiencies and has the players utmost respect/motivation. I would die for Spags, Haley as OC. I would pee in my pants, literally, of the so called brains in the FO worked it out. TC would be just fine and dandy with that duo. I would send him Xmas presents every year! If they bring back TC and his 3 stooges next year I'm done watching and writing. Just copy and paste my previous posts every week. But that's right, longtimegiantfan says I like to hear myself talk! Ala Michael Moore! (ps I despise him).
my bad, I thought he wanted out of his last year this past August. He's nonetheless still auditioning.
@ultimatenyg@longtimegiantfan ultimate, AMEN TO THIS, BROTHER ULTIMATE. For all the folks who credit TC for SB42, they are always quick to look away for excuses at the continued mediocrity of the well-documented past. Harry Truman defined responsibility and accountability for those at the top with his famous THE BUCK STOPS HERE. I have written far too many posts detailing TC's failures in leadership starting with the moment Plax shot himself. '08, '09, ''10 and '11 are all on Coughlin's watch and all on him. The Giants should have been proactive and made Spags the assistant Head Coach after SB42 but it is clear that Coughlin does not want coordinators with personality and power. A cursory exam of the guys he has hired and kept reveals that. Spags, we hardly knew ye! (And can we put a moratorium on the Michael Moore references. I love him, others hate him - ain't that America and leave it at that!)