Three dead ball penalties were killers! This is inexplicable. And probably won't get mentioned as the keys to why we lost.
Those four points were huge because had we made a TD there instead of FG we still have a chance even after killer Int to tie the game.
On Sunday night, I was on Sports Rantz blog talk radio. My segment begins ~ 15 minute mark. Like Robert, I was disgusted with the Giants wretched performance against the Seahawks. A good friend of mine who is a rabid Seahawks fan wrote me the following: 'Hawks are gonna' get smoked by G-men Sunday. They're absolutely horrible. Maybe they'll be good again in 15 more years. They seem to be good for 4-5 years then stink for 15. Pretty much their pattern since the beginning.
And tomorrow, I will have a post up on the Giants offense. The Giants were 1-12 on third down. This is an EIGHT percent conversion rate. Amazingly (I still cannot believe we lost to the Seahawks) , despite playing so poorly in all three phases especially offense, the Giants almost won this game.
I like what Don Banks at si.com wrote today:
And so it goes with the Giants, who seem to take us on the same ride year after year. Start to like them, and they'll disappoint you. Start to bury them, and they'll surprise you.
I'm pretty new to NFL fandom. As such, I just want to throw out the question - why does it necessarily make sense to go straight to the top of the coaching staff when looking for remedies (or scapegoats)? Why is Perry Fewell, or the special teams coach, whoever that is, never mentioned? The "coaching staff" keeps getting called out, but Coughlin is the only person being held accountable. Is the rest of the coaching staff supposed to improve if the top guy is brought down?
I have been on the "Fire Coughlin" bandwagon for years, posting as myself or JoeMorrison. But whenever it was mentioned in the past, far too many folks would respond with the usual, "Who would we get?", "Who's better?", "They're unproven." and many other negatives. But at this point, after these years and these teams and the same uninspired brand of football we have seen, can those in the TC loyalist camp realize that Coughlin is "the devil we know." We know the team has quit and will quit again. We know they will finish weakly. We know certain truisms about TC and his staff, none of which inspire the fan base or the players. So can we agree that Cowher, Billick, Spags, et al, even with their track records of not winning SuperBowls every year are "the devils we don't know" and just may be what we need. We know what we don't need. We have that. Hell, the 49ers picked a college coach from Stanford and all they have to be is the best team in a horrid division. Hmmm, sounds like the NFC East now, doesn't it???
The only consolation is that ALL NFC East fans have had it tough for years now. Dallas: Riding the Romocoaster and only one postseason win since 1996. Washington: Riding the Dan Snyder-coaster; worst NFC East team most seasons. Philly: Always a bridesmaid... and this year not even that. Reid must go.
We at least had that shining beacon in 2007 (even though everything before and after was overall kinda putrid).
Very good observations Robert and the conclusion is right on obviously : we won't get anywhere with that coaching team. TC lost his players somewhere in 09 and change is needed.
We may no go Super with new coaches but let's at least do something and not just go 9-7/10-6 aka "good enough seasons" for the next couple of years.
I do not believe you are pessimistic when you envision 40+ ass whoopings coming. And it could start sunday.
The Bills can run, they can throw, can't defend much either but they have passion and swagger, they play 60 minutes and want to win.
It's really not surprising. When your Quarterback turns the ball over via fumble and INT 4x and loses another,when you cannot stop the run and have no running game yourself,when men who have played together for two years yet cannot communicate,when as you say,a team can convert only one 3rd down pay,give up a safety and has no personality you ordinarily lose.
The Giants have some talent in Nicks,the "new" and surprising T.E.,an all pro Guard(dnp),and all pro in Tuck(dnp),a star in Thomas(out) and a player who looks like the real deal(JPP),there is hope.
The Giants did fumble in Arizona and did play with spirit against Philly. As Andy has said and I concur they could be 1-4 now with a daunting schedule ahead.
This team(with injuries) is arguably worse than the pretenders last year and the train wreck the year before.
Well,they are better than the 09 team but may slide like before.You never know who will show up on any game day and it is sweet that Osi has 3 1/2 sacks in two games after surgery.
We are witnessing metastatic cancer which sometimes goes into remission but is usually fatal.
When yo look at Detroit,Buffalo,San Fran,even Cincy you get to see what can happen in a short time with the "right" driver. The Giants desperately need to build a team with the opportunities they have.
The players need to play the game but the people who are charged with teaching,creating,deciding and making it work are essential.
@S.A. The Captain is right. The head coach is the guy charged with oversight for all the players and the coaches. He usually chooses who he wants to work with along with the G.M. Some owners bypass the system and those teams usually lose.
As early as pre-season and the camps,players break into position groups. in effect they answer to their position coach who then answers to Coughlin.
Coughlin has the final say on everything from defense to offense to specials to approving the game plan. Most coaches with Asst's they trust let them call their own game.
The fact is that ultimately,the way a team plays is on Coughlin. He can hold his asst's responsible but never does with Gilbride,Fewell and seems to cause more trouble than help by usurping others roles during a game.
There is no excuse for any of them but at $5milion+ a year CFoughlin is paid to refine the product to the best it can be and always be competitive,consistent.
We all know that o7 and 08 were all about "Spags". He was ready and shocked the NFL by turning a "dead" defense into arguably the best.
No secret why he left after less than two years. The Giants had their shot but didn't shoot.
@S.A. Because he is the one who hires these losers. Go back back and read past years posts and comments and you will see this blog screaming for Gilbride's head and all but Spags head on the defensive side. Hell, Pete was against the Perry hiring right from the start. He ran the Tampa 2 in Buffalo and he runs it here. Tom has hired 4 DC in his tenure here and 3 of 4 have been failures. That a 25% success ratio.
@Arthuro just to confuse everyone, maybe the giants show up vs Buf. But that's not the point. We are waiting for the "real" season to begin and here it is we play footsie with FOUR PIECE OF SH*T Teams. This team, as was noted on Mon, could be 5-0 or 1-4 with just a little more luck or a little less. The underachievement continues. We hold out hope that this is not another wasted TC season, yet 80% of the data tells us not to be surprised if the underachievement continues.
@Peter S. Furman Spot on Pete.
@capt george Hi Capt!
Thank You for being you and your comments. I appreciate you fot the objective way you view things and actually reading what we write.
We are Giant fans through and through. I like Eli Manning as a person and I respect his skills yet after 7 1/2 seasons it's time to face the facts.
Eli has skills but he has a lot of technique problems which the coaches must take responsibility for as they are "teaching problems",execution problems and the people they put in front and behind him. Gilbride's offense has years of history. He has faile3d on every level and with several teams.
Why do I love "Spags"? If one looks objectively it was he,and only he who changed,created,invented a defense and an attitude that won it all. His second year was no less impressive and when he left,"great,spirited football went with him.
It's as plain as the nose on your face lol