On Saturday night, the Hall of Fame selection committee snubbed Bill Parcells. Parcells, a two-time Super Bowl championship coach, was denied entry into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Perhaps voters have a short-term memory. His last stint with the Cowboys went south. And perhaps this could be a reason why Parcells was kept out. Whatever the reason, Parcells should have been a member of the 2012 Hall of Fame class. Peter King agrees. Sports Illustrated's Peter King makes a good case. "Bill Parcells probably should be a favorite to make it (10th all-time in wins, two Super Bowl wins, took four franchises to the playoffs), but you never know how much momentum new guys will have in the room among the 44 voters. Some of the voters aren't fond of the prickly Parcells, but he does have more wins than the four coaches -- Marv Levy, George Allen, John Madden and Hank Stram -- who've been enshrined since 2000, and none of them have more Super Bowl rings than Parcells."
But 2012 is not going to be his year. In fact, now there are four coaches with TWO Lombardi's not in the Hall of Fame. Bill Parcells. George Seifert. Tom Flores and Jimmy Johnson. (Thanks JA.) Maybe in 2013, Parcells will be wearing a yellow blazer. However, one of his disciples, Tom Coughlin or Bill Belichick, will be wearing a new ring in 2012.
For Belichick, with a win, he can erase the nightmare of the 2007 almost perfect season. Without Eli Manning's and David Tyree's last minute heroics, Belichick would be looking for a ring for his thumb this year. If the Patriots lose to the Giants on Sunday, there will be discussions about Belichick's mystique. Is he a great coach? Did he reap THREE Super Bowl trophies because of cheating? Yesterday, on this blog, Andy floated this idea because former NFL players tend to agree. Kurt Warner, Marshall Faulk, and Amani Toomer believe Belichick's success stemmed from his videotaping. During an interview this week, a reporter asked Belichick about his three Super Bowls being besmirched. Belichick became testy. "We moved on from everything in the past. We are focused on this game. That's it." Belichick got caught with breaking NFL rules. From the NFL's Constitution & Bylaws (article 9): "Any use by any club at any time, from the start to the finish of any game in which such club is a participant, of any communications or information-gathering equipment, other than Polaroid-type cameras or field telephones, shall be prohibited, including without limitation videotape machines, telephone tapping, or bugging devices, or any other form of electronic devices that might aid a team during the playing of a game." Belichick and the Patriots were fined and lost a number one draft selection. NFL commissioner Roger Goodell found no evidence that the St. Louis Rams' walk through practice before Super Bowl XXXVI was filmed by the Patriots, as the Boston Herald reported Feb. 2, citing an anonymous source. The Boston Herald ran a story about this without verification. And they had to retract and apologize for doing so. The Rams lost to the Patriots because Rams head coach Mike Martz was outcoached. Former Rams wide receiver Ricky Proehl talked about the Rams loss to the Patriots.
“New England did a great job of game planning our offense,” he said. “They showed blitz and dropped into zone. They basically rushed three and dropped eight. And [Martz's] comment was ‘we’re going to throw that ball anyway.”
Martz’s desire to continue throwing the ball instead of running it, was a choice that according to Proehl was not well received by the Rams’ offensive players. As a matter of fact, during the Super Bowl, Proehl stongly suggested to Martz about running the ball more. Martz's response: F*ck You. This exchange could be found in the book The Education of a Coach written by David Halberstam.
Does Belichick have a lot on the line on Sunday? You betcha. In order for him to silence his critics, his team has to beat the Giants on Sunday. If this happens, this whole Spygate drama will be remembered as an ahem attack.
As for Tom Coughlin, if the Giants win on Sunday, he will have two Lombardi trophies. In the past few days, I was listening to WFAN radio in New York. Some Giants fans were comparing Tom Coughlin with Bill Parcells. This is predicated on Coughlin hoisting another Lombardi trophy. This comparison is preposterous. First, Coughlin has been the Giants head coach for eight years and won playoff games in just two of them. As we have documented time and again on this blog, Coughlin has been underachieving with talent for years. There has been too many wasted season under Coughlin. On the other hand, Parcells won consistently over his entire span as coach of the Giants. His teams did not collapse in second halves of seasons. His teams did not quit on him. More importantly, some people do not remember how tough it was for Parcells. When he took over for the Giants, they had a losing tradition or lousy football for 17 plus years. As Giants fans, we had one season of respite under Ray Perkins. Furthermore, when Parcells coached he had to deal with a much stronger NFL than it is today. Back in Parcells' tenure, the San Francisco 49ers, Washington Redskins, and Chicago Bears were all powerhouses. From 1983 to 1990, the San Francisco 49ers won the Super Bowl THREE TIMES. The Washington Redskins won ONCE. Chicago captured their title in 1985. Under Parcells, the Giants won twice. Think about this for a minute. In eight years, the NFC won the Super Bowl SEVEN out of eight years. Nonetheless, the better teams were in the NFC. Although I am not a Tom Coughlin fan, I think winning another Super Bowl cements him as a tremendous coach. But he is not in the same class as Parcells.
My favorite idiotic comment regarding Parcells not making the Hall of Fame - "He didn't win without Belichick but Belichick won without Parcells."
By using this less-than-logic in other major sports we get gems like:
Magic Johnson did not win a championship without Kareem but Kareem won a championship without Magic.
Gretzky did not win a Stanley Cup without Messier but Messier won a Stanley Cup without Gretzky.
Give me a few minutes, I'll come up with a dozen more.
The point is that HOF voters in EVERY SPORT have very human biases and issues. An example: Willie Mays, universally regarded as ONE OF THE BEST BASEBALL PLAYERS EVER DID NOT GET 100% OF THE VOTE THE YEAR HE WAS ELECTED. THIS MEANS VOTERS, WITH UP TO 10 SPOTS TO FILL, LEFT HIM OFF THEIR BALLOT.
Voters like that exist in every sport, in every walk of life. They are the C- people; they are the small, petty people. And sadly, many of them vote, not just for Halls of Fame, but for other, more important things.
This conversation seems a little presumptuous at this point. Coughlin as of today has one ring, not two. Plus should the team who played the redskins twice this year show up today, I think all of this will be moot. Who will be defending Coughlin if we get blown out today? And who will be thinking about inducting him into the hall of fame tomorrow if we get blown out?
I worry about ochocinho today. BB and Parcells were always great at squeezing the last bits of greatness out of players at the end of their careers. Inhis prime, 85 was terrific. For one game for all the marbles can BB get the last bit of excellence from him? I would not put it past him. The Giants may be so focused on the TE's and Wes that there maybe an opportunity for 85 to shine. Just a closing thought.
As far as a coach, there is no comparison between Parcels and TC.Parcels has rebulit 4 different teams into contenders. TC has presided over two NYG teams that have resurrected themselves into SB finalists, AFTER having rather weak regular seasons. TC has been in charge of too many late collapses by talented NYG teams, that should have been avoidable.Those collapses by the NYG would not have happened under Parcels, he was the expert at getting the most out of his players. TC has failed to do that in 2008,2009 and 2010.
Now suddenly he has the team performing again late in the season in 2012. I believe his record is to " spotty" to call TC a great coach.......maybe a lucky one.
Andy, maybe I missed it but was there any word from Wonder on this game. His website is not updated too much
Actually, there are 4 (retired) coaches with two trophies not in the hall: Parcells, Siefert, Jimmy Johnson and Tom Flores. Now, Seifert and Flores ain't getting in and Johnson probably didn't coach long enough (his record in Miami doesn't help either). Parcells was a winner of course. You'd think taking two different teams to the Super Bowl would be a big mark in his favor. I think this snub is because he's rubbed people the wrong way over the years (including the way he's walked away from teams; I still think the way he left the Giants was shitty.)
That's the Hall process. He probably won't get in until he's at deaths door.
Parcells came in and rescued not one but FOUR franchises that were in the ash heap. He got all of the franchises he coached back to stable competitiveness, even after he was gone. He'll get into the Hall of Fame. He's pissed off more than a few, but there is more than enough respect to send him to enshrinement.
To quote George Young, "Bill knows what defense he'll call during the second series three games from now. He doesn't know what he's doing in his own life 3 days from now." To say that Parcells has burned a few bridges is an understatement. Just ask Tampa Bay and a few others. Even Giants fans know that his sudden departure forced a two year Handley nightmare. That is where Coughlin is an angel compared to him. Parcells is the better coach, Coughlin is the better man.
@manning10 they are trying to update it. Wonder was a maniac with ~50 mins worth of material, which is way too long. It needs to be condensed. Hopefully they'll get it posted by early afternoon. The skinny is that he likes the Gmen 38-27.
@James_Allen Thank you for getting the facts straight. JJ, Flores have two Lombardi's too. I will amend. I appreciate your comment
That's the crux of it. As a Giants fan, I obviously revere Parcells and all he did for this franchise. But his record as being a stand- up guy is lacking.
The thing is with Parcells, you probably couldn't have had one without the other. What made him a great coach also made him perpetually unsatisfied with where he was. Kind of like Larry Brown (though not quite that extreme.)