The NY Giants are going to California! The Road Warriors soundly defeated the Packers and overcame some of the worst and disgusting officiating in recent memory. Tremendous win! How many people would have forecast that Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees would be gone from the playoffs?! It's the Giants vs SF for a ticket to Indianapolis.
Normally one of the things that we preach when you go on the road is the need for TDs, not FGs. But in the first drive, the Giants got a FG and it was G-R-E-A-T! We tweeted at the time:
"The first third down conversion to MM was really important. Normally I want and need 7 but I can handle 3 because
#nyg took GB's emotion"
Green Bay came into the game with a lot of emotion. The Giants took Green Bay's best punch, drove the ball and put up 3. That first 3rd down conversion when Eli hit Mario Manningham on 3rd and 8 for 19 yards was GINORMOUS. That is a play that will go unnoticed by many, but it should not go unnoticed by any of us. It settled down the team. This wasn't going to be ATL, where the offense would go through a first quarter drought. The message was that this Giant team was going to play for four quarters. Eli was money, Mario was money, the coaches were money, the Giants were money.
We've been critical of the coaches, putting the blame of underachievement squarely on their shoulders. Let's all please remember that this "great" team was 7-7 only a few weeks ago. Right now, the coaches have to get all the credit. One of the biggest detractors of all, Osi Umenyiora, is giving them all the love:
"Hey, we take on the personality of our coach. He's a tough guy and we're going to play tough."
Every Giants fan can taste the bitter irony of how Osi is reclaiming his and the Giants glory at the same time. In the nick of time.
The turnovers were incredible. The Giants simply beat the Packers at their own game. Usually it's the Pack defense that generates the turnovers and the offense that protects the ball, but the Gmen got 3 fumble recoveries. It would have been four, except a Greg Jennings fumble was not ruled for the Giants.
Giving credit to individuals on the "Good" is nearly impossible because so many people were incredible in this win. We'll try to single out some moments and some people, but please add some more in the comments.
1) TOM COUGHLIN, PERRY FEWELL and KEVIN GILBRIDE. That sound you are hearing is me puckering up.
Coughlin had the Giants ready. He and his staff were ready for everything McCarthy threw at them.
Fewell had a great defensive game plan that would not let Aaron Rodgers beat them. As maddening as the (five) QB scrambles for 3rd down conversions were, Rodgers' postgame interview explained that "the high volume of man coverage dictated that" he run when no one was assigned to him. It was actually part of a design where the Giants were going to make sure that the air attack did not go over the top. The result was a few 15-20 yard pass receptions, but no wholesale gashings like what we saw during the regular season contest. Those sacks and scrambles meant the coverage of the GB wide receivers was excellent, and that meant a win. Man coverage. Perry, you keep using it and we'll keep doling out the kudos. Essentially the Giants did not spy Rodgers, preferring to have an extra man bracketing the man assignments. The feet of Rodgers bent the Giants defense but the arm of Rodgers was stopped from breaking it.
Gilbride attacked often. My favorite playcall of the night was when the Giants got the ball at the ~4 yard line after another fumble recovery and run by Blackburn. 1st and goal. PLAY ACTION to MARIO MANNINGHAM FOR A TD to go up 30-13 and make it a three score game. Suffocation. There was less small ball than I would have liked, but Eli found a rhythm early and that is the goal.
2) Eli Manning. Cool as a cucumber. Never rattled. That poise in the playoffs and in Q4 is something he has always had. Now that he is also playing the best footballl of his career, the combination is lethal. He was knocked around and kept coming. Gilbride puts the ball in Eli's hands and Eli delivers.
3) Michael Boley. Two sacks. Team lead in tackles. He's the best LBer on this squad and he is quietly doing important work in coverage too. Add Jacquain Williams here and you have two LBers who are vital to 'managing' the TE in bracketed coverage.
4) Osi Umenyiora. 2 sacks vs GB. 1 sack vs ATL. 2 sacks vs DAL. 5 sacks total in 3 games. At least he is currently more of a pain in the a** to opposing QBs than he is to Reese and Mara. Let's also remember that Ross got beat on a slant & go ... if Osi doesn't strip the ball, it is a wide open 7 probability for GB.
5) Nicks. You've gotta pick your poison vs the Giants wideouts. Cruz gets doubled. Nicks now is getting the numbers. His 66 yard humongous catch + run for a TD is part of a pattern where Cruz and Nicks are burning defenders for a long one, game after game. On another reception in Q2, he comes back to the ball instead of waiting for the ball to come to him- the little things that make a good WR a great one.
6) The Hail Mary. You have to give plenty of kudos to Bradshaw AND MANNING for getting out of bounds after ad-libbing and picking up 23 yds. At that point I felt that 3 was the proper call, but for whatever reason Gilbride and Coughlin chose to throw it up. It came down to Nicks, who turned a 13-10 halftime edge into 20-10. Incredible.
7) Derrick Martin and Victor Cruz. These two players recovered onside kickoffs. But the Martin recovery was on a fake and the replay showed that Martin was ready the entire time. Great respect for not leaving. The PHL disaster last year schooled Quinn on schooling his players not to leave, so he too must receive acknowledgment for a job well done.
8) Antrel Rolle. The man was ubiquitous. He was busy with WR coverage, and still managed to come out ok despite that mismatch.
9) The entire secondary. When guys like Phillips, Webster, Ross, Amukamara and Grant are not getting exposed on camera, it means they are shutting down receivers off camera. There were a few warts, but Aaron Rodgers is always going to make any team look bad some of the game. This group lost some battles but won the war.
1) Tynes. Poor kickoffs to the 5 and 15 yard line. One kickoff is out of bounds and spotted at the 40. Was the missed FG kicked too low? We'll let that one get blamed on a blown block.
2) The short yardage run game. Give the Giants 3rd and 10, no problem. Give the Giants 3rd and 1 and it is a disaster. There is no surge, and there certainly won't be one vs Justin Smith next week. At this point on 3rd and short, just go play action and pray the LBers and Strong Safety are stupid enough to bite.
3) Ballard is playing hurt. It is sad to watch how hobbled TE Jake Ballard is. His 1 catch for 17 yards was a huge grab, made all the more remarkable by the condition he is playing in. It looked at times like he could barely walk. If he can return to any health, it will be great for Eli.
1) Bill Leavy and the referees. Regulars to this blog know that we do not like to discuss the officiating. It is generally a random element of luck that evens out over the long run. And we hold to the Bill Walsh theory that it is simply part of the 20% of the game you cannot control. But we draw the line when the officiating is so egregious and one-sided that it becomes almost criminal. It was borderline criminal out there.
I could not see the replay angle that validated Coughlin's challenge for a Jennings fumble. But once they showed it, it was CLEAR that the refs totally blew the call. Aikman and Buck were unequivocal in their dissent against the officials. Unfortunately the poor officiating was seemingly non-stop. There was a horrible spot of a Ware run that was off by a full yard, causing 4th down. Why? Because he fell sideways, meaning his knee never had the opportunity to touch the ground. Then of course there was the Osi phantom 15 yard personal foul, where Rich Eisen of the NFL Network was absolutely ILL. They call that, and yet Eli is taking helmet hits, Clay Matthews body slams him to the ground long after the ball is gone... no calls there. The holding call on Snee... Like I have said numerous times, it is not worth yelling about the officiating because it evens out, but last night it was simply one-way and negligent.
The Giants beat up a Packers team that had Aaron Rodgers and a last place defense. But the Packers defense also gambled and won with many turnovers during the regular season. They could not be dismissed as being a vulnerable unit because they led the league (tied with the Niners) with 38 takeaways. The Giants had to protect the ball on offense and stop Rodgers from carving them up. They did. The Packers had 7 (different press accounts had anywhere from 6 to 8) dropped passes, but let's give the Giants the credit for making Rodgers throw harder passes and making the receivers make harder catches. Fewell's simplified defense with "a high volume of man coverage" is turning the Giants into a formidable opponent; Eli Manning is the only one left to do the carving.
Before this thread tapers off completely, just wanted to see if anyone noticed exactly what happened on Osi strip. 1. He gets a hold of Rodgers. 2. Strips the ball. 3. Rodgers is falling on top of loose ball, trying to collect it. 3. Osi bats it away.
Now, I don't know if Osi gets credit for a sack in that situation, but to my mind that's football's equivalent of an unassisted triple play.
I watched the game again yesterday and counted 3 hands to the face/late hits on Manning and no flag. I never saw Manning ask for one either.
A lot of writers/fans are saying the OL played very well in pass protection and I don't agree with that.
They were good when they faced those soft 3 man rushes on 3rd & long (even Fewell don't do them no more !) but everytime Capers called a blitz, Manning got hurried. Boothe was awful, probably his worst game all season.
FO's quick reads :
"The NFL Network guys were talking about the Giants "peaking at the right time." Obviously, they are, but is that the kind of thing you can control? Is it possible that, knowing the season is six months long and you can't play your best the whole time, teams are able to dial back the intensity to 80 or 90 percent, so their emotional/psychological/physical tanks are full for the playoffs?"
With some talk about Coach of the year (some are talking HoF if we win the SB) I think it's a great question.
You'd think that there's no way Coughlin actually planned in september "let's start fast, rest for 5 weeks and then peak in the playoffs" right ?
That's crazy. Or is it ?
08 was an awful game that has many causes. 07 and 11 are late peaks that led to a SB and an NFC Championship appearance (maybe more ! please let it be more). 09 and 10 were solid starts, late season collapses.
Is it Coughlin's plan, having a "resting month" in nov/dec before getting into full gear ?
He may be thinking "yeah, we'll collapse 50% of the time but during the other 50% we'll go deep into the playoffs".
Maybe he's going for the late peak and think that the 50/50 risk of a collapse is acceptable if you get to the SB when you don't collapse ?
No I'm not drunk at this moment.
Either this or Coughlin is a poor coach who just got lucky twice in W16 of the regular season.
Interesting comment came out today from Jermichael Findlay of GB that JPP several times disrupted his timing by knocking him to the ground, before starting his pass rush. More of the little things that made a big difference Sunday.
usually, i never mention the refs because the calls do seem to even out, but not this game. i really felt the refs wanted GB to win, especially the fumble since it was reviewed. same osi personal foul, yet nothing when eli was ever hit. i mean if buck and aikman are pointing how egregious the calls are, there must be something there. i hope to hear the nfl come out and say they messed up.
when coughlin was first hired i was worried that his military rigidness would alienate players and take away from his effectiveness. what gave me pause was a comment from bill parcells stating he thought that coughlin would be the best head coach out of all the giant assistants he had, even belichick. in 2007, he seemed to have learned to lighted up enough while still maintaining good discipline. personally, the more i learned about him, i found that he really was a great guy and a solid coach. regardless, his fast starts and slow finishes were troublesome, and there seemed to be too many games where the giants played flat. i wrote that i might be time for the giants to move on even though his overall record was quite good. well, if the gmen go on and win the super bowl, coughlin then raises himself to hall of fame candidate. how about that transition?
Last week I said it... whoever wins the turnover battle will win this game. These are two teams that can put up points, and two defenses that can make big plays. Our D made the plays... in fact we made more plays than we got credit for. These guys are so hungry for the ball. What a beautiful game. And the hail mary to nicks was simply breathtaking. What a game! Go giants! Let's take it to the Niners! We're dogs again, but that's just how we like it!
+Eli; can't say enough. He is a monster.
+Pass coverage. Sure it wasn't always perfect, and Osi bailed out Ross big time on one occasion. But as has been said, we all expected Rodgers to escape, roll out, and hit somebody 30 yards downfield. It didn't happen even once.
+Fewell (ties in with the preceding point). Lots of man, and a decent amount of press (still could maybe use more, but not gonna complain).
-Tynes. Good Lord.
-Injuries? Hopefully all the guys that got banged up will come through fine.
-Officiating. Don't get me started. It's all been said anyway. Luckily this was a thorough beating, and not really a tight game. Otherwise this would have mattered.
though. Should be a GREAT matchup next week. I'm pumped. Go GMen!
"Revenge Tour II" is well under way. We all know how eerie this is becoming in regard to 2007, but we can't discount it any more...or should I say "discount double check" it any more....ok...ok I'm sorry. First of all a big thank you to Mike McCarthy for the attempted on-sides kick after scoring a TD....Are you freaking kidding me? That was a desperate move when it was not needed.
If these officials are doing playoff games because of their favorable reviews during the season, well than a major change is definitely needed. The Bill Leavy's & Jeff Triplette's need to go. I do have a proposal.
If we are committed to replay challenges, then why can't we have officials looking at instant replay up in the booth? This way, they see what we see and since they are officials, they make the decision. No more refs under the hood. It doesn't work. I understand the NFL is considering hiring 10 officials "Full Time"...Well then I say add them and put them up in the booth!
On to San Fran......like the good ole days!!!!!
Andy-great stuff on the coaching staff, the drastic improvements since Wash loss, and the joys of Eli and Co. I have never been a believer in "conspiracy" refereeing but it is getting ridiculous. 4 reversals on "fumbles" vs Jets, Dallas was very one sided, Atlanta had zero holding calls on their O-line vs. our beasts, while we had 3 )-line holding calls against us, and yesterday was beyond disgraceful from the "non-fumble: to Eli getting head smacked, body slammed, etc. Through it all we have persevered and moved forward. I was not very supportive of Coughlin and staff after Wash but I am eating crow now, as they have done amazing job of changing game plans and motivating entire team. One last thing, special teams has been greatly improved last half of season and is no longer the serious detriment it had been for last 2+ years.
Hey, David Castro
Where is my post game comments that are going to win me back? I feel like a girl after a date waiting by the phone and he never calls. boo hoo
Great win special kudos to Fewell and the D. Secondary is emerging as a weapon in the playoffs, just in the nick of time. Coaches deserve a ton of credit for getting these guys ready as well as game planning.
In addition to everything that's been said, Fewell controlled Finley in part by having JPP chuck him at the line, sacrificing part of JPP's rush. According to todays Milw Journal Sentinel "Defensive end Jason Pierre-Paul had neither a sack nor quarterback hit. Still, he contributed in a subtle way, repeatedly chucking Finley at the line of scrimmage before redirecting into his rush.
'Pierre-Paul was pushing me and our offense is timing,' Finley said. 'Then he'd go rush. I'd say a dozen times. I got pushed on the ground two or three times.' "
Agree totally about the refs. It's almost never worth mentioning but the G-men are getting hosed. Both GB games, but yesterdays much worse. There is no excuse for missing that fumble call, once you slow it down it wasn't close. No excuse for Osi's call either, that's football.
I am ectastatic about the win. I did not think the Giants had it in them, but boy am I happy they did. One thing that really discouraged me was the poor runningby Jacobs. He seemed slow and tentative. On 2nd and goal he tries to sweep for -3 yds. Later in the game he gets a minus two running to the outside and then the killer to me was when he gets to the edge and has one man to beat and gets tackled. He just did not seem to have the speed.
We just faced the #2 and #11 offenses in the league (according to FO's DVOA) and the defense gave up 6 points (safety + refs scored 14 yesterday).
Great win by the Giants! Believe it or not, a ton of Eagles fans are pulling for you to go all the way! I'm just one of them... Beating Green Bay decisively at their house is HUGE! It was a very entertaining game to watch as the Giants offensive game plan just wore the Packers down. Eli was at his best. And the Giants front seven on defense was really clicking when it needed to get pressure on Rodgers... Giants secondary has never looked better... Made me proud of the NFC East. Now on to the 49ers!
Man I thought we had a shot but coming out of this 37-20 ... whaoo !
They were ready right out of the gates, agressive play and playcall ... when you think about what we did just 3 weeks ago vs the J-E-T-S it's hard to believe it's the same team !
Man I bitched about the coaches but c'mon, they were awesome last night.
It makes the poor regular season even harder to swallow but the important thing is that they got it right at the right time !
Let's rejoyce my fellow New York Football Giants fans.
@RussWellen I thought he batted it away from Clifton but yeah, it was an awesome play by Umenyiora.
@ArthuroFascinating theory. That would make TC one of the smartest coaches in history and I am not kidding. I have never heard anything come out of his mouth that would suggest this but I hope you are right.
@Virginia Blue i read that too. that makes sense as to why JPP didnt have sacks or other #s because he was busy bumping Findlay at the LOS. what a great strategy because only someone as big and nifty as JPP could do such a good job.
I rewatched it and I still very much disagree.
@xtian I wasn't going to write or even read much about TC coaching status till the season was over but you've got some good points. TC's rigidity alienating players contributes to team motivational problems including the letdowns and collapses. He has the ability to adjust, and sometimes does so with positive results, but tends to wait . Overall, he's very good and would probably be great if he were less rigid. In addition to Parcells' thoughts, I'm struck by Accorsi's comment to Mara when interviewing TC: "If we can't win with this guy I'm taking up tennis."
The real coaching story this week is Jim Harbaugh. He seems like an absolute beast to me, and this game may be the last chance to win a playoff game against SF before they dominate the NFC for years to come, as they upgrade their roster. Please someone tell me I'm wrong
@xtian Coughlin does best when his job is on the line... so we gotta keep saying he should be fired haha
Gilbride was overall pretty good, though some of the playcalls annoyed me at times. We need to find a way to keep Osi; keep the three headed monster intact. When all are healthy this is a force.
I said during the week that I see us as having a GREAT (better than 50%) shot at beating SF at SF. After watching them play the Saints, I'm a LITTLE less certain; that defense is solid, and we didn't run the ball well yesterday.
But this is much better than heading to the dreaded dome. If we play defense like we did yesterday (not necessarily a direct comparison since the Niners have a running game and the Packers don't) this should be a double digit win assuming the offense gets ANYTHING at all going.
This is what it's all about. Should be a GREAT matchup. I'm pumped. Go GMen!
@capt george The collective noun for a group of crows is "a murder of crows" and I've been busy looking up recipes that call for that many crows as I have repeatedly called for Coughlin's head over the years BUT I will cook and eat my crows like a man and now "crow", the verb in this case, about the wonderful run the coaching staff, led by Coughlin, has done with our Giants.
As for post-game comments, ah, what to say that hasn't been said in hopes of winning you back...
1. Bill Leavy - Can this zebra be released back into the wild so NatGeo can film him being run down and eaten by lions?
2. Did anyone think that Mario Manningham would mature this much over the past few weeks and continue to make important catches while running his routes correctly?
3. Can we ever discuss Osi without hearing about his vocal displeasure with his contract or Sheridan's defense? Very few of us will ever have jobs where money and "respect" are public knowledge. He is respected by the players for talking about money/contracts (they play to win BUT ALSO FOR $$$) and HE WAS RIGHT ABOUT SHERIDAN. I don't want a team of silent yes-men. And where it matters most, on the field, HE IS A BEAST (okay, he still takes himself out of too many running plays, etc.). I love the guy.
4. Can Joe Buck never do football again? If I ever want to see or hear Joe Buck I will simply pop in my DVD of Midnight Cowboy and enjoy Jon Voight as the original Joe Buck.
5. Please google Sunday's New York Times and read the article about Emlen Tunnell, 1950s glory years Giants Hall of Famer. What a life! Brought tears to my eyes and on MLK day, a truly wonderful story about "the content of character."
Captain, that's all I got. Is there still a shot? A faint hope?
@capt george That's the plan !
@Tom JacksonTom you are a better man than me! But fwiw, I will root for you and your site any day of the year. Your NFC East support is admirable and appreciated.
LOL. I have two friends that are hardcore Eagles fans, and BOTH of them were/are pulling HARD against the Giants. I'd probably do the same if the situation was reversed.
@Tom Jackson Thanks for the support. Two of the biggest Gmen rooters at the bar I was at last night were Redskin and Jet fans.
@Tom Jackson Well you're a better man than I because I'm pretty sure I'll never root for the Eagles.
@capt george Ah ah I sense the irony there Captain :)
I know it sounds crazy but it's the only explanation I could come up with.
@Paddlepedal sure harbaugh has done great, but their roster is full of top 10 draft picks [in each round] for the last 8-9 years, so they already have great talent.
before SFs last drive, i said, the only way they win is through TE vernon davis and NO should double him every play--if he beats that, well, then he earned it. [next worry about gore out of the backfield, and then crabtree.] so what do they do? they single cover vernon with a LB. duh!!!!
1. I see #1 show on cable.
3. Like hjm, don't love him. More a product of Stray, Tuck and others taking the double teams so he can win one on one. Agree on the contract talk
4. I have no trouble with him. It's color guys that I can't stand.
5. I will try but crying is for girlie men so I might have to pass
There is hope.
@Arthuro I remember this comment. Think I have it a "like"
@capt george I guess we'll never know.
No matter what happens next this season, inconsistencies and underachievement seems to indicate that Coughlin isn't in control.
Relying on late season self motivation by the players doesn't seem like a coaching policy to me, reminds me more of lottery.
I'm reluctant to use the word luck again, because you don't get to coach 2 NFL teams if you're not good. Yet when you see the pattern ... mediocre regular season and 2 strong 5 game streaks (asuming we win it all this season) don't make a strong case for Coughlin.
I am like you, I'm really asking how to explain this.
@capt george I noted that as well, here's my comment from 2 weeks ago :
# Kiwi is on record saying that Rolle "lit the fire" after the second Redskins loss with his comments about motivation and playing hurt.
If only there was a guy in the organisation, an experienced older guy, whose job it'd be to motivate players and get the best out of them. That'd be great, wouldn't it ? We'd call that guy "head coach" and I think it would help.
Aw, wait ? What ? #
@Arthuro And no, i am really asking the question. I am not being sarcastic.
Here is another example of the players doing the coaching. This is Rolle talking 2 weeks ago:
“And another guy is Deon Grant. He sat me down and we had a long conversation and he was like, ‘Bro, I understand what you’re trying to do and I appreciate what you’re trying to do but be you. Let your play do the talking for you. That’s what you do, that’s who you are, that’s who we know you as.’ Honestly, that’s the best advice I could’ve gotten from any player.”
Again, did Tom tell Grant to do this? Did he create an environment in which players self police and motivate each other or did he just get lucky that these guys said what they said when they said it?
“Do I know we’re a great team? Yeah. Are we playing like a great team? No,” said Rolle, told the New York Daily News. “But it’s all about actions. It’s not about words. Honestly, right now my words mean absolutely nothing. Sometimes we go out there and we play like we’re coming to play football. Sometimes we go out there and just take the field. It’s not good enough.”
“If you’re going to go out here and play the game on Sunday, you need to be out there with your men throughout the week,” Rolle said. “I’ve been nicked up all year long. A lot of other people have been nicked up all year long. We go out there and we’re fighting. I don’t know. I ain’t the coach, man. I’m not trying to be the coach and I’m not trying to say what he should do or shouldn’t do. But I feel as teammates we need to hold each other more accountable.”
Moments after a Week 15 loss to the Redskins dropped the Giants to 7-7, Antrel Rolle ripped into his teammates. The frustrated safety criticized his teammates for not practicing, blasting guys for sitting out with "nicks and bruises."
And Rolle's comments just may have been the spark the Giants needed. To linebacker Mathias Kiwanuka, the boisterous safety's words were the key turning point for the newly minted NFC East champs.
"He lit the fire," Kiwanuka said Monday. "He lit the fire. And that's what we needed at the time. You can agree or disagree with him, but normally what he says is true."
Indeed, in the first practice following that mid-December loss, the Giants had near-flawless attendance, with tailback Ahmad Bradshaw (foot) taking the field that Wednesday, and perpetually nicked-up defensive end Justin Tuck also practicing fully. Tuck, who has battled nicks and bruises all season, has not been on the injury report since Rolle's tirade.
"When Rolle made that comment about having all hands on deck, anybody who was close to playing, you saw guys limping out to the practice field, which normally doesn't happen," Kiwanuka said. I think that was the biggest difference that we had."
It seems to me, Tom takes things like this and uses it to motivate the team. Does he get credit for that, yes he does but if Rolle does not say anthing? What happens then? Were would the spark come from?
@capt george So it's the "Either this or Coughlin is a poor coach who just got lucky twice in W16 of the regular season" that's true.
@Arthuro Here is a better one. He sucks at motivation. He got lucky in 07 with the team coming to believe in itself while losing to NE or you can say, he saw the opportunity to motivate the team by going after NE hard that night.
This year, Antreal Rolle saves his bacon with his timely speech to the team after the Redskin loss. If he was the one that put Rolle up to that, then he gets full credit for every good thing that happens to this team this year.
The last 2 years no player or game presented itself to get the team to the next level hence the late season collapses.
@xtian @Paddlepedal yeah for sure picking in the top 10 for 12 years is gonna make your team good. As the same reason i should probably give more credit to Reese.. I've ripped him before for his free agency gaffs. On record I 100 % agreed with the JPP pick. I also liked Nicks but there were times I've said mathews may have been better for the team that year had gb not jumped us. But thank god for Nicks. We've all seen his talent as elite and it is no surprise what he did yesterday, but kudos to reese for sticking to his guns taking Nicks over say kenny britt and also taking jpp. As well jacquan williams. Overall given our average draft positions he's done more than above average in the draft.
@xtian@Paddlepedal okay, i was going to wait till at least tomorrow to comment on the NFC Championship game but as we're already talking about it... As I mentioned above, Alex Smith had his redemption day BUT don't forget it came against the defensively-challenged Saints. And it was one day. This is his first time in games of this magnitude. The Niners D is playing at a very high level and our Giants defense is playing at a very high level. So for me, the question comes down to this - Who would you rather have at QB in this game - Alex Smith attacking our D... OR Eli at the top of his game and having been in games like this before, attacking theirs?
I'd like to know Canty's situation but I see 27-13, Giants.
@CommanderShepard This year is not conjecture. This is the same team talent wise as what we started the year with. Until Rolle makes his speech, this team did not play up to it's potential because it was left to the HC to motivate and he did not do that. Am I happy we are playing for a SB birth. You bet. Would I like to see credit given where credit is due, yes again. That credit goes to the team IN SPITE of the coach.
@capt george @longtimegiantfan Facts are facts, but to be fair, a lot of what you just said is conjecture. And a little bit of sour grapes lol..
Don't but me in the eating crow camp. I still think he needs to go. If A.Rolle does not give his speech after the redskins game, we are not here. Tom did not get us here. He got us to 7-7 with talent that has SB potential. In fact, in every one of the last 4 years we had SB talent. In 07 he was forced to changed by management. This year he is bailed out by his players taking it upon themselves to play up to there talent level and not the talent level of their opponent, not because he brought out the best in them. Give credit where credit is due and don’t let others take the credit for work of others.
Now I know it sounds like sour grapes but to me, facts are facts.
@capt george As Dante (not Pastorini) said, The only place without hope is THAT OTHER PLACE. The world of Blue smiles.