"Here, you have the game."
"No, I don't want it, I am awful. You have it!"
"No thanks. Don't go telling me you're awful. I'm awful too. You have it."
"I just said I didn't want it. You have it..."
For those of you who chose to miss the game and merely get a recap here, you're smarter than me. This kind of misery just isn't worth it. The Lions have lost 5 of the last 6 games. I can't figure out who is underachieving more, the Lions or the Giants, but it's certainly close.
Rich Eisen of ESPN: "My brain is melting watching this Giants-Lions game."
Here's the quick synopsis. Gilbride's strobe light flashed on in H1. He made some good playcalls by going to the short passing game. The Lions did not show up with any energy and shot themselves in the foot many times. Calvin Johnson was mostly ineffective, playing hurt. At Halftime, the Giants led 13-3 and then Detroit decided that if they played a little football they could win, so they showed up for ~20 minutes and took the lead 20-13 off of 2 TDs, a 2 pt conversion and a Safety in between. Then, right on cue, Daryl Johnston asked aloud when would Detroit capitulate and blow yet another Q4 lead, which they promptly did. Stafford through a pass which was deflected into the hands of streaking Will Hill, who returned it to the house. Tie score. Both teams then blew numerous opportunities to close out the game until the Giants kicked a FG midway through OT.
Here is the part that sickens me. Yesterday at ~830AM I get in my car and turn on the radio. On pops WFAN, and I have to listen to Paul Dottino tell me that none of the Giants coaches deserve to get canned or will get canned at the end of the season. I mean, after all, this is their first losing season. It simply nauseates me that such palpable underachievement will get glossed over in a 7-9 season and that no change will take place. We are all strapped in for mediocrity. I will have to listen again to Jerry Reese put more lipstick on this pig of a season and insult us fans by telling us how close we are. How we finished 7-9. How we beat the great Redskin implosion twice, the Freeman, the mcl sprain Pryor, the Tolzien, the Barkley, and the underachieving Lions. Aw schucks. My pile of dung is slightly higher than your pile of dung. We will conveniently forget that whenever we played against any team of CREDIBLE credentials, that we got roasted alive. Outside of the putrid NFC East, the Giants were 0-5 and lost by a combined total of 160-51 to teams headed to the playoffs. Put lipstick on that, Jerry. But somehow, this team is 2 wins away from going 9-7 and winning another Super Bowl title. That is the logic that they are going to feed me next Monday when the season is over.
You and I know better.
The Gilbride strobe that "flashed" with a good gameplan early in this game is PRECISELY the indictment we are talking about. It takes this OC a half a season to adapt and then we are supposed to congratulate him for getting it right? As we tweeted to Dottino yesterday, it's only when the tide goes out that we discover who is swimming naked. Gilbride is overmatched the moment he hits any adversity, and the Giants need a new Offensive Coordinator that can lift up the backside of Manning's career. Manning is in his prime right now and all we are getting is dog breath.
7-9. The new mediocrity. 70% of parents think their children are above average. 100% of Giants personnel think their coaching staff is aok.
Oh yeah, I barely even listen to the "Eli spot" with Mike Francessa. He has no clue what to ask Eli. It's the most generic interview you could imagine. A complete waste of time. I don't even know what to say anymore. When I hear that Gilbride and the rest of the coaches are pretty much coming back I get so frustrated.
I swear all of the Giants beat writers are brain dead or too afraid to give us any real assessment of this team. I give Patricia Traina a little credit, she has recently come around to some form of realisticly assessing this team. I can't understand why they can't see what we see. And we're not some delusional overreacting fans here. If you follow them on twitter it's the exact same posts from all of them. It's like they read off a press release and tweet it out. I can't even turn to WFAN anymore. The Giants fan has no representation on there. Who advocates for the Giants fan in the Tri-State? Boomer & Carton- Jets fans, Joe & Evan- Jets fans, Francesa- A Parcells worshipper who has no team & talks Yankees hot stove during a Giants playoff push. I have Sirius which is a lot better but they are too national to focus on the Giants. It may sound crazy but I actually listen to a philly station during the day. I'm jealous at the coverage they devote to the Eagles. The Giants don't have anything close to that. We get a little mention with Carl Banks but that's so short and quickly turns to the Jets by the Jets fans he's on with. I'm glad I recently found this site because I thought maybe I'm being too hard. Based on how most people seem satisfied with the level of mediocrity around this team lately. I've said for years that the Giants have won despite of Gilbride not because of Gilbride.
We all should not be surprised by this.....Here's Eli Manning's strong support of Kevin Gilbride from his @WFAN660 spot: "Obviously, I had a different offensive coordinator early on but (Gilbride) was my quarterback coach and I was kind of learning the offense through him,” Manning said on WFAN (via @ConorTOrr at the Star-Ledger). “It’s a lot of the same plays we’re still running. I feel very confident with him.
“We’re on the same page with a lot of things. He’s a tremendous coach. Sometimes, we have had a tremendous plan and it’s just we haven’t executed. That’s the players’ job. We have had a number of opportunities to make plays when they are there and we just haven’t done it.
“He has a great mind for football. He has a great plan each and every week for us to go out there and perform.”
Great write up Andy. When Will Hill intercepted that pass one of the first things I thought was that a win would be enough to keep the status quo for the Giants coaching staff. It is very discouraging to think about.
I also agree with buljos comment about strength and conditioning. At the very least, the Giants should hire the best S&C coach available and get up to date on S&C approach.
Also agree with thoughts on QB coach. Eli obviously needs help getting his mechanics straightened out (maybe he should sign up for that Manning QB camp.....). It seems ludicrous to me to invest so heavily in a QB (salary cap hit) and then promote the receiver's coach to QB coach? Eli needs a top-notch QB coach to get him straighten out. And an Offensive line wouldn't hurt either but he now is throwing above or behind his receivers even when he has time to throw it.
So what if the Redskins beat the Giants in the last game? Will that make any difference in coaching changes? Probably not....
Looking ahead to next season, some positives:
• Strong defense. Especially loaded at safety, between Rolle and Hill, with Mundy as reserve and possible return of Stevie Brown. Of course, Rolle might leave.
• Sudden emergence of Jernigan, who had, until yesterday, struck me as the essence of mediocrity. Glimmerings of chemistry between him and Eli.
• The heart of an untalented O line. The extent to which they limited the damage of the vaunted Lions D line was nothing short of amazing.
We all know Coughlin, Gilbride and Fewell aren't going anywhere for 2014. The team didn't lay down on them (although they still have a final game to prove otherwise), so Mara won't demand coaching changes at that level. However, they ought to implement some coaching changes below OC, to include Quinn, Sean Ryan as QB coach, and Jerry Palmieri as Strength and Conditioning. After two years coaching Eli, Ryan ought to go back to WR coach where he belongs. Eli needs a top shelf QB coach, not somebody who proves the Peter Principle. I have friends who have dedicated decades to the physical conditioning and training business... certified and credentialed guys... and they opine the Giants too often have way too many injuries that are traceable to old thinking. Some Giants players have recognized this for a while now, and opt to hire their own strength conditioning coaches who are up on the most recent advances in the science. If the Giants are committed to playing old timer with their coaching leadership, then at least acknowledge the need to go the other direction with strength and conditioning. As for JR putting lipstick on the rest of this pig, he'll go a long way to beautifying the offense by going OT again with the 11th pick (somewhere between 9th and 15th). One or two of Lewan, Robinson, Erving or Kouandjio will certainly be there. I was a huge Diehl fan when he was in his prime, and answering the call to wherever they stuck him. But that old soldier has seen enough, and needs to hang em up. Glass Baas can't be relied upon, so that FA experiment ought to end now. $nee’s got to substantially restructure to like vet minimum, or he needs to go. Beatty has looked way over matched too often at LT to have solidified that position, and Eli deserves more than that. So if JR gave Coughlin another 1st round LT, and just as importantly did what it took to land Alex Mack from Cleveland (have O’Hara work on him), with Brewer, Mosley and Cordle in reserve, that pig's starting to look descent.
My head almost exploded when Gilbride reverted to form to open the 2nd half. They had done a good job of keeping the Lions offense on the sidelines during the 1st half with some good ball control drives. So what happens? Third and 4 as they open the 2nd half and of course it's bombs away.
Agree completely! Gilbride never really did adapt - took some baby steps toward implementing a short passing game, but still persisted in having Eli fling "hail marys" downfield instead of just trying to move the chains.
Giants cannot make any meaningful progress moving forward if they retain Gilbride, Fewell and Quinn.
Perfectly stated. There is one WFAN host who is a Giants' fan and does express our views. She even has had Patricia Traina on as a guest. It is Lori Rubinson. She is extremely knowledgeable and is a huge Giants fan. The problem! She is on at 2AM-6AM late Saturday into Sunday morning.
I've said for a long time that there must be a reason the NYG's have so many injuries and I also believe that it's the strength and conditioning coach. I also agree that Eli needs to get a new QB coach. His bad habit used to be OCCAISIONALLY throwing off his back foot, but now it seems like the only way he throws a ball, hence all the interceptions. A new QB coach will instill better footwork on Eli's part or I am afraid his decline will just continue.
Lions fans are happy in defeat because they will finally fire their HC. Giants fans are sad after this victory because NYG management aren't going to fire their coaches..... :(