Erin Brockovich: "I just went out there and performed sexual favors. Six hundred and thirty-four b*** j**s in five days... I'm really quite tired."
KG-Eli combo NFL top 10 off for 5 of past 7 yrs w 2 SB .. 1 horrid yr (w missing parts) doesnt erase facts = earned chance to tweak— GiantsWFAN (@giantswfan) December 31, 2013
Vacchiano (NY Daily News): "The Giants' failures this season were more personnel than coaching. And quite frankly, this whole idea that Gilbride should go feels like an unseemly knee-jerk reaction that is unbecoming of the Giants. Mara preaches patience and stability. He shouldn't need a scapegoat just because fans are mad."
Serby (NY Post): "..when your owner declares that offense “broken,” it is convenient to target your offensive coordinator and make him the scapegoat"
Giants fans ought to appreciate Kevin Gilbride way more than they criticized him. The guy was a driving force in two Super Bowl runs.— Bob Glauber (@BobGlauber) January 3, 2014
Good luck in retirement, Kevin Gilbride. Those who criticize, remember: He dialed up plays that beat 18-0 NE and 15-3 NE for Super Bowls.— Peter King (@SI_PeterKing) January 3, 2014
Gilbride had to go, but remember: The way the Giants blocked this season, Bill Walsh would've looked like an idiot.— Steve Politi (@StevePoliti) January 2, 2014
@RVacchianoNYDN It's amazing how competent an OC can be when he has people who can block, run & catch.— Vinny DiTrani (@sageman01) January 2, 2014
Kevin Gilbride was a better offensive coordinator than he was ever given credit for being.— Pete Prisco (@PriscoCBS) January 2, 2014
... a seemingly endless procession of media apologists and supporters of Gilbride.
Oh, the humanity! We are such heartless and ungrateful fans.
But where are these beat writers in answering any of the 14 criticisms outlined by us BEFORE this decision/forced retirement was announced?
Is it just coincidence that 2 of those criticisms were noted by Mara when he called the offense "broken"?
Where were these reporters to criticize Gilbride's oodles of boneheaded mistakes that cost the Giants many games, and even arguably a title in 2008?
We were not born yesterday. We know that Gilbride had a tougher hand to play in 2013. But this is completely consistent with the argument we have offered for many years.. that Gilbride underplays his hand when he is dealt the nuts. Yes, DiTrani, you are 100% correct. Your sarcasm is much closer to the truth than even you know- Gilbride indeed could get it done when he had ALL the equipment.
And speaking of geniuses, note how Steve Politi has the temerity to put Kevin Gilbride in the same sentence as Bill Walsh. Walsh was the textbook roster adapter (Criticism (2) and (11)) when, as Offensive Coordinator of the Bengals, he redid the playbook to fit to his limited QB Virgil Carter. All of the scribes quoted above imply that Gilbride was bound to suffer with a bad OL, so why is this his fault? The answer is to ADAPT. When we look at the stats for when Manning was under pressure, we see that Manning threw for the second highest # of INTs (10) in the NFL under those conditions. Want to turn the ball over less? Throw under less pressure. Want to help your poor OL? Throw more small passes. So why, we ask the scribes, was Eli Manning 8th in the NFL in deep passing attempts this year? Maybe it is because Kevin Gilbride does not adapt. Maybe this is what that heartless owner John Mara was talking about when he said his offense was broken.
It's not until the tide goes out that you discover who's been swimming naked. Please, mainstream media, save us the heartless scapegoat talk, stick to the news, and good luck working on your access to the next Offensive Coordinator.
I haven't heard anyone mention Bill Lazor. He is the current QB coach in Philly. I'd say he had a great year tutoring Nick Foles. He has a degree from Cornell and played the position. He also was the QB coach in Seattle under Mike Holmgren. Hmm, the last time we took a coach from Philly, his name was Spagnuolo. That worked out pretty well....just saying.
First, Gilbride didn't adapt. The O-line was horrible, but PFF statistically ranked the Colts and Seahawks O-lines worse that that of the Giants, and I don't notice their OCs being thrown off by that challenge. Gilbride played the same hand no matter what cards he was dealt. Know when to hold em, know when to fold em... Gilbride was right to walk away. The dealin's done.
Second, to the media pundits who assert it wasn't coaching as much as the players. How exactly do you know that? What's the basis of that conclusion? When Gilbride removed a good WR Coach to make room for his son, and placed that WR Coach as QB Coach, did that figure into your analysis that it wasn't the coaching? How is Sean Ryan equipped to be Eli's coach? The Packers don't play amateur hour like that... when they assigned a QB Coach to tutor Rogers, they selected a professional who coached Bret Favre, who was the QB Coach with the Steelers, and the Saints, and who won 2 CFL Champions as QB, and who was an All-American QB at Notre Dame. I like Sean Ryan, but are you media apologists telling us fans that he stacks up against Tom Clements at Green Bay? Are you telling us a QB Coach doesn't matter? Did you learn that from Bret Favre, who said Tom Clements helped him go from 29 INTs to 18 the following year? The coaches aren't the issue in NY? You guys must think we're real stupid out here.
I wouldn't go after Politi. He was actually, along with D'Alessandro, one of the voices calling for change. I don't think he's saying anything you yourself haven't said, which is that the people responsible for personnel bear a great deal of the responsibility for the utter ineptitude of this year's OL.
In any event, would be curious to hear who are some of the prospective OCs you'd like to see the team go after and why.
Hmm, you have an Oline that can't block so you are the #8 deep passing attempt team in the NFL??? WTF!!!!!
I like Vacchiano, but he's always leaned toward the "Gilbride apologist" side of the ledger.
These guys are either all nuts, or they're too close to the team to be objective.
@dbs50 Tob be fair to Politi, he was the only one who led with the admission that it was time for KG to go. The rest of them are so blinded by whatever they were busy getting from that relationship. As for who to bring in, I am not in favor of Sullivan. George Young advocated hiring staff that the organization knew so that there were no surprises. But one of the best hires of TC (for DC in 2007) was Spanoulo, who was not in the Giants' system to my knowledge.So all of the chatter about Sullivan is going in the wrong direction, imo. I prefer a young guy w/ a lot of energy.
"Too close" meaning they want access. Not "too close" meaning rose colored glasses.
..But maybe both in a few cases.
@ultimatenyg It would never happen as the Giants would never in a million years hire the guy, but I'm gonna call Kliff and tell him to go to the Giants. Thing is he's a rockstar at Tech rolling in the college puss building a program and collecting a 10.5 mil 5 yr contract with bonuses.
But that would be awesome to see us run a fast paced up tempo offense similar to the spread. Look at the playoff teams still in the mix now they all implore that style offense sprinkled in with some power running and pro style offensive schemes. But these A-holes don't think outside the box and will hire sullivan. Coughlin doesn't like change. He did in 07 and won a title cause of it. Maybe they have a change of heart and we get a coach that is unable to interview cause he's still in the playoffs. But I'm afraid it will be more of the Irish Mafia.
I don't know most of these guys. So I asked Wonder-savant, and his response when exposed to a bunch of names all being circulated: only one worth his salt is Chudzinski, rest are not worth any time discussing.
@jfoster @ultimatenyg @dbs50 I'm not in favor of Sullivan either, for the reasons discussed. I'd rather have them try to lure Cutliffe away from Duke if they're not gonna go for a young guy with new ideas.
It will be interesting no doubt. Andy, do you have any kind of short list of candidates you like?
Wonder how long this will drag out for..